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Tesla Club India
Mar 29, 2024
In General Discussions
Our Rough Report on Gotion High-Tech's India opportunity, feat. VW & TACO. VW if they work on their electrification plans, Mahindra deal for cells & Tata current deal can lead to a potentially good opportunity for local cell manufacturing. Firstly, what's the relation between VW and Gotion? Well VW is largest shareholder of Gotion In 2022 VW announced its Unified Cell approach, gotion being the tech partner & supplier. Gotion is helping VW with its germany plant and it's also a designated supplier for its overseas markets. According to a AutoCar report, VW-Skoda EV plan for India can lead to half a million unit for both domestic and export markets. Mahindra announced a deal for 50GWh cell supply over lifetime. We took these figures on a roughly 10 year time period Gotion and TACO relation - Both have a JV in India for pack manufacturing & R&D India Context for TACO and Gotion Nexon, Tiago, Tigor EVs use cells from Gotion. MG Comet too has pack by TACO-Gotion. In current demand, we took yearly use of 2GWh Tata also opened a BESS plant recently of 6GWh capacity. Let's assume conservative as of today demand of 1GWh. Then we have recently announced VinFast plant. VF is also a customer of Gotion. VF, if successful locally, we assumed couple GWh for them too. So So how can this work? VW-Skoda-Mahindra need unified LFP cells. TACO, VF use other Gotion ones. Joint production? Separate production sites and mechanism for both different ones? What we didn't account for above? But Summary - The Conservative estimate of 12GWh cell demand looks confidence inspiring to take the plunge to have a local cell plant to boost the adoption of Elektromobilität in India. As we say we need to have more players and more models to address different needs of consumers in India. Having local cell plant will only help to build the consumer confidence in the brands. What do you think of this? We definitely need local Cell production. LFP market is ripe for someone to capture if they can. Would these companies do this? Mahindra will be taking cells from BYD and Gotion-VW unified. Both not having production here means all of them will be imports. VW if they materalise on their plans, too will be import dependent for cells. In future, import duties on cells is sure to increase, which could create potential issues for companies totally reliant on imports. Any suggestions? Do let us know. Click here to download PDF report. - Team Tesla Club India
Gotion High-Tech's India opportunity, feat. VW & TACO - TCIN Report content media
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Tesla Club India
Mar 17, 2024
In General Discussions
We did some back of the napkin math on expected #TeslaIndia Model 3 & Y prices⚡️. These are our rough guesstimates👀. If you have missed the import duty reduction news, do check this out. Model 3 RWD can start at around 37-38L Model 3 LR around 45L Model Y RWD around 42L Model Y LR around 48L Model Y Perf around 53L We first considered US prices(Fremont/Giga Texas) and then Australia prices(Shanghai Giga factory) for our calculations. *Prices taken from Tesla website as on 15/03/2024 *Factors like local cost, expenses for Tesla, delivery/handling charges etc are not included.
Guesstimating Tesla Model 3 & Y prices in India content media
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Tesla Club India
Mar 17, 2024
In General Discussions
We plan to create a WhatsApp group of fellow Early Model 3 Indian Reservation holders⚡ ✉️If you still have the reservation and are interested in joining such group, please DM/email us your contact number along with screenshot of your reservation. Twitter/Insta/Telegram DMs are open or scan to mail.
To Early Model 3 Reservation Holders content media
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Tesla Club India
Mar 16, 2024
In General Discussions
Indian govt has approved a new EV policy that allows EV imports at reduced duty of 15% temporarily for 40,000 units at 8000 max per year. - Requires minimum investment Rs. 4150 crore($500M) - 3yrs for setting up manufacturing facility & reach 50% value addition in 5 years(25% by 3rd yr) - The customs duty of 15% would be applicable on vehicle of minimum CIF value of USD 35,000 and above for a total period of 5 years subject to the manufacturer setting up manufacturing facilities in India within a 3-year period. -The duty foregone on the total number of EV allowed for import would be limited to the investment made or ₹6484 Cr (equal to incentive under PLI scheme) whichever is lower. A maximum of 40,000 EVs at the rate of not more than 8,000 per year would be permissible if the investment is of USD 800 Mn or more. The carryover of unutilized annual import limits would be permitted. How will this work? Can Tesla start importing immediately? No. There will be a application and approval process with bank guarantees. Govt says they will invite application within 120 days. So should happen relatively soon. Bank Guarantees- Can any company participate in this? Well yes, if they meet certain eligibility criteria. Rs. 10,000 crore annual revenue requirement will make it tough for Fisker, VinFast etc. Here's hoping everything happens quickly! Policy is finally here, late, but better than never. Bring that Giga now Elon!
Everything about new EV Policy allowing Reduced import duty content media
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Tesla Club India
Mar 10, 2024
In General Discussions
Hi Guys. Hariraj here. I got Delivery of Tata PunchEV LR Empowered+ on March 8th, 2024 in Surat Gujarat. Right off the bat, Tata has some bugs to solve. I was on a drive showing to family etc and car didn't go to D mode, but I knew what was going on having done my research. Restarted the car. When I was doing left turn it did some fast forward type of blink sounds then usual normal blink frequency. A genuine advice don't drive in sports mode when family is inside the car! Also thanks to birds for welcoming it! Next day I decided to do a long trip to Mumbai from Surat about 265km in total. The trip can be done with just one charge stop, but I didn’t start with full charge, I forgot to take note of it. But my first charging stop - CZ Navsari FOODXPRESS, was about 33km from start. I reached with soc 33% SOC. This was first DC Charge of my baby. Being my first public charge, I did a first session of about 10kWh from 33% to 60%. Then another from 60 to 85%. Total 20.589kWh added at cost of INR 498.4 in about 45min total. My destination from here is Borivali East. I did one more charge session in between. After about 175km, then I reached CZ Food Hub Haloli at 26% SOC. I charged till 81%. Total 20.02kWh added in 45min at INR 566.97.  Accidentally somehow I reset the trip inbetween somewhere from first stop to second. Efficiency was 114Wh/km with L2 regen. I was cruising between 70-95kmph on highway mostly on eco. Then I traveled for about 61km and ended with 63% soc. The last 30km or so thanks to Mumbai traffic were at about 12kmph.  It was fun! Nikhil and all folks, they make me look like maniacs during charging. Other Ev owners are sipping coffee while me, I am clicking photos and fiddling around the charger. Hehe. Seating etc was comfortable with Baby isofix + two passengers while I was cruising at 100 kmph on Atal setu. It ate all the crazy roads Mumbai had to offer while entering right now they are building road on national highway, no thud thud everything was smooth. Total Toll cost was INR 220.  Here's the Summary
Surat to Mumbai on Second Day of PunchEV Ownership content media
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Tesla Club India
Jan 31, 2024
In General Discussions
Recently Godi India received BIS certification for it's LFP cell. It has prismatic shape. It's energy density as per Godi is 165-170 Wh/kg. Charge discharge rare of these cells is 1C-1D. This is named Falcon series, they are planning to have multiple sized prismatic LFP. Below is a image of one such cell. Godi also previously has a 2170 NMC811 cell which has energy density of 260 Wh/kg. As per CEO Mahesh Godi "More than 275 Wh/kg cell development is on with high nickel cathode and silicon anode materials." Further in email he told us that "Godi cells were tested by multiple OEMs in smaller quantities. Larger quantity cells testing in battery packs is pending." "Active discussions in progress at present with domestic and international automotive OEM’s." Godi is also working on 4680 and 46100 cells also with Nickel based chemistry. We have pics of 46100 and 2170 NMC cells. So summing up cells shape and chemistry Cylindrical - Nickel Based Prismatic - LFP Godi recently also announced a ~13GWh Cell manufacturing facility in Telangana. As per Mahesh, they are hoping to have it operational by end of this year or early next year. Approx 7GWh is planned for Nickel based cells and 6GWh for LFP hence catering to all possible customers. This is exciting developments in India, wishing the team best and waiting to see the production ramping up⚡.
Godi India : Prismatic LFP Cell Certification, Massive Cell Manufacturing Announcement and Advancements in 4680 & 46100 cells content media
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Tesla Club India
Jan 06, 2024
In General Discussions
Are Things moving forward? We hope so. Meanwhile there are atleast 2 new Tesla India posts. 1. Anandhan is Senior Supplier Industrialisation Engineer at Tesla in India since June 2023! His role lists - "Supplier Industrialization at India Sites, Supporting Global Programs and Projects, Drive Quality at Supplier Sites for Flawless Launch and NPI, Support Global teams to de-risk supply chain issues. Support development of critical parts and assembly at India supply base, Involves Drivetrain & Propulsion, Chassis and Structural parts for BIW as well as for Energy Systems." 2. Kadhir Rajasekaran is Senior Materials Planner at Tesla In India since July 2023. He moved on from Tesla US where he was Materials Planner since August 2021.
Tesla Seems to be building up an India Team for Sourcing & Developing Supply Chain in India content media
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Tesla Club India
Jan 05, 2024
In General Discussions
It's time to look at how EVs did in 2023 in India. EVs across all segments crossed 1.5 Million registrations accounting for 6.39% of all vehicles⚡️! Up 49.25% compared to 2022! EV 2w accounted for 5.03% registrations, up 36.1% YOY. EV 3w accounted for 53.93% registrations, up 66.32% YOY. EV 4w accounted for 1.74% registrations, up 114.32% YOY. E-Buses accounted for 5.14% registrations, up 32.59% YOY. E-Trucks accounted for 0.12% of registrations, up 1453.84% YOY. A great year overall. Excited to see the transition to electric in 2024 Let's have a look OEM wise Firstly in 2w In 4w EVs For E-Buses Medium/Heavy E-Goods Vehicle This Data doesn't include data of non-vahan RTOs.
A Look at EV numbers in 2023 in India content media
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Tesla Club India
Sep 11, 2023
In General Discussions
We along with Tata EV Club have sent a letter to Telangana CM K. Chandrashekar Rao & Transport Minister Puvvada Ajay Kumar requesting them to reconsider their decision of increasing road tax on EVs⚡️. We believe that this will hamper the EV growth in the state. We have suggested alternative approach which doesn't lead to sudden increase in on-road prices for EVs. Feel free to send a copy to your local govt representative. Link to our tweet regarding this : https://twitter.com/TeslaClubIN/status/1701113918108631277(https://twitter.com/TeslaClubIN/status/1701113918108631277)
Letter to Telangana Govt Requesting them to Reconsider their Decision on Road Tax on Electric Vehicles content media
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Tesla Club India
Jun 15, 2023
In General Discussions
This post is in continuation to last one regarding Agratas. Following comments & information is from Thomas Flack, CEO Agratas, Tata's Cell Manufacturing branch. Here he is holding the cell. "Tata Group has been looking at this segment for about three years and it's been a project that we've coded internally Project 'Apollo'. " "These are designed very smartly with idea of how long they last as well so this battery lasts a lot longer than the car and it's extremely safe. So We've worked a lot and very hard on coming up with these ideas." "When it comes to cell design the cell that I just mentioned has been under Design and Development for about two years for Tata Motors this is one of the cells and so our relationship with them very quietly has been to work on what are the needs of the company so we could begin with what we call our lead cells for our anchor customers again about 18 months of actual cell development that's been going on for both JLR and TML." Based on it seems like Tata has themselves developed it. "A very affordable battery pack of about 50kWh, 130 of these you can push a small SUV 400-500km per charge." So assuming it's LFP, one cell comes at about roughly 384.6Wh. Would love to know weight. "Gigafactories are really expensive to produce and they're sitting in an ecosystem and so in order to be good at this if you want to politically de-risk yourself you need to get back into what is the raw material and supply" "Some of the supply chain you can actually make so for us as an industry in our operations in Europe we have to make the Cathode Active Material(CAM) ..............................and we have to make that locally in Europe to supply Europe and in case of India we have to do the same thing here. So next to a Gigafactory you also have a CAM factory, ideally attached to a CAM factory you have recycling center hence you get this whole system." "We started our journey with almost a gift in a sense that Shailesh, Girish and Balaji the whole leadership team said let's do this together and that's an amazing thing for us. We are signed on to do about 40GWh for JLR and about 20GWh to Tata Motors that does not serve all of their needs. So message to the whole room here is the suppliers that work with these companies today will continue. We're part of the expansion in their next Generation vehicle we're not here to displace any of the current relationship." "The cell that drives a bus is not that cell. It's not ideal, it's not optimized. Wrong chemistry, Wrong format size. We have an opportunity to work with Girish's team on building the absolute best possible cell for the actual experience that he's driving with buses of service" "We have the opportunity to also collaborate with him on investigating sodium cells that have an interesting angle of completely de-risking India from any importation of critical battery materials and with a little bit more work on the sodium ion solution actually potentially not just work on energy storage solutions but also potentially in buses." So buses will get different shape cell, someday it could be sodium ion also along with for energy storage. Very interesting. "We're naturally placed to work with 2W and 3W for us these are extensions of what we're already doing there's a different format that's ideal for those sectors so it's a cylindrical format." Different cell form for 2w/3w! Wonder what shape in cylindrical. "Inside of this guy 42 sheets of aluminium foil they're made on a continuous line that's longer than this room. We put some nice material on side on top, we cure it, control it, shape it, chop it. Same thing for a copper foil. We very delicately place them inside this box" "That same cell will have one chemistry in India actually two but one initially and a completely different chemistry delivering much more power and energy for JLR exact same cell gives us that flexibility to make it ." So Tata India giga to start with LFP & europe with NMC. "So one of the great things we have is that we've got a decent lab that's actually up in the UK that's been working furiously for the past 3+ yr on just making sure that we understand the realities of the chemistries and changes that are coming to our industry" Making of these 3 cells little over 1kWh takes 45kWh energy. Making 1kWh CAM takes 35kWh energy. But cell is good for over 2000 cycles, so use is very good. That's why they are focusing on RE for their factory. A MOU with Gujrat, they will be making their own energy. "So our goal, all good battery companies are doing this right now is they're trying to identify where to attach themselves to clean energy otherwise what's the point. Affordable clean energy and if you can get that right with govt you can compete with anybody and point of us doing this as a group is to do it in India to have it made and designed in India but also lead the world in making it lowest cost not cheap, lowest cost world class battery and it starts with getting the energy right so we've spent a tremendous amount of time on this issue trying to work with govts to secure that and recently you saw our announcement in GJ is essentially an MoU to start the process but that Foundation of that was getting them to agree to let us develop our own energy in Gujarat to feed our own plant and so it's with great pride that we're telling the world that now but our intent is to actually be our own source of power, make our own batteries ultimately add CAM, expand that campus and even going from 20 to 40 and beyond and have it all fed by same renewable power." "Our arrangement there the root of it is getting that ability to self serve you the power at that lowest affordable price which means if somebody tries to import a battery in that class into this country we will flat out beat them on price therefore there won't be an interest for importation. We can actually set the standard for what India is and also position ourselves smartly so with that type of arrangement as a hub for exporting batteries which is really fundamental to our business case." "Well first the whole point of this is to geopolitically de-risk us from outside fluctuation of currency fluctuation of any type of outside country. Second is to make it very affordable and make India a great place to make batteries which means building the ecosystem under it" Phew, this is it. Some big hopes there that they have shown. We hope all it turns out true. Regardless, really interesting & amazing to have R&D going on by a big Indian automaker and not just plan to buy cells from here & there.
Some comments from Thomas Flack, CEO Agratas, Tata Cell, Regarding their plans content media
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Tesla Club India
Jun 14, 2023
In General Discussions
Agratas (Tata) Cell Gigafactory in India. Another one will be in Europe somewhere. Agratas will focus on whole supply chain including repurposing & recycling. What's interesting is that they project 40GWh+ for JLR & 20GWh+ for Tata Motors. We are guessing it doesn't include Buses/Trucks. Agratas also wants to supply to 2w/3w & energy storage(tata power?) as well. Tata seems to have developed(self or with gotion or someone else?) a unified cell for Tata & JLR. Format to be long prismatic. Tata will be making LFP as well as NMC. Would love to know their energy density. Tata seems to want to focus on every possible cell/battery variant that can be. Most interesting(apart from NMC) is LMFP & sodium ion. Cell factory layout is very interesting. It's modular. 6 lines ~8GWh. JLR will be taking cells from Agratas This is interesting. They are stating that currently 84kWh Pouch LG chem battery in I-Pace takes 387L (217.05 Wh/L). While with new cell-to-pack (of Agartas?) 120kWh will take 342L (350.88 Wh/L) Follow us on twitter for more EV stuff.
Interesting bits about Agratas Energy(Tata Cells) from Investors Day content media
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Tesla Club India
Mar 22, 2023
In General Discussions
We have done a podcast discussing India's CCS2 and Type2 charging infrastructure, its current state and what could be improved. Do check it out. Youtube - https://youtu.be/P0Wtoofd5PU Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/episode/4vrLk7xWhOk8l01MkFhQ1q?si=4543a0cea17e4ece Article Link - http://ExpWithEVs.substack.com/2302-charging-infra
Podcast 17 : Discussing India's EV Charging Infra content media
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Tesla Club India
Sep 13, 2022
In General Discussions
Chhattisgarh is latest among the states to implement EV Policy 2022. The policy will be valid for a period of five years commencing from 01-04-2022 and extendable to 10 years based on State Government's discretion. - All regulations are applicable for only FCEV, BEV and PHEV. Policy mentions that " Micro, mild and full hybrids shall not qualify as PHEV". - Electric commercial public transport will be given permits on priority by transport department. - Only Electric Autos/rickshaws will be allowed in certain areas to avoid congestion. - All the aggregator service providers to mandatorily have at-least 30% of e-vehicles in their fleet. - In order to avoid congestion in cities, EVs will be mandated in cities while phasing out polluting vehicles in parallel. - Electric mobility blueprint will be created for the entire state for a phase wise transition to EVs. - Transport department shall facilitate the online registration of EVs Road Tax Exemption - 100% waiver of Road tax on all the EVs purchased during the first 2 years from the date of commencement of policy. - The waiver will be 50% and 25% on Road tax on all the EVs purchased during the next 2 years and 1 year respectively. Would have been great if it was 100% for the policy period, but still good. Retrofits Allowed Registration will be allowed for 2 wheelers, 3-wheelers and 4-wheelers retrofitted with an electric motor and an electric powertrain using advanced battery technologies and certified by all government recognized/ approved agency. Purchase Incentives The State will support up to 10% of the cost of the vehicle (excluding tax) or Rs. 1.5 lacs whichever is lower, for Purchase of the electric vehicles, either under individual use or commercial use, for five years till 2026-27. Vehicles sold and registered as fully electric vehicle will be eligible for purchase incentives. For vehicles sold as hybrid electric vehicle will be eligible for 50% purchase incentive provided to fully electric vehicle. Additional Incentives for 2Ws/3Ws/4Ws - Government Departments/Offices, Public Sector Undertakings will give preference to hire EVs for Official use - Municipal authorities will provide 50% subsidized parking for all personal EVs. - Exemption of Registration fees on purchase of EVs for the operational period of this policy. Additional incentives for Buses - 100% SGST on the sale of electric buses sold and registered in the State will be reimbursed . during policy period. - 100% exemption on registration fees for the first five years shall be made available. - The bus operators who wish to scrap/ decommission their existing diesel-powered buses and replace them with electric buses shall be provided additional monetary aid over the existing rule, (Scrap & ULBs) if any through dedicated Transportation Fund. Incentives for Goods/ Other Vehicles - 100% SGST on the sale of electric goods carriages sold and registered in the State will be reimbursed for the policy period. - 100% exemption on registration fees for the policy period will be made available. - Electric goods carriages in the above category shall be exempted from prohibition on plying and idle parking on identified roads of the State. Charging Infrastructure - Setting up of Charging infrastructure will be mandated in the Housing Policy. - Government will provide capital subsidy of 25% to the selected Energy Operators on the charging equipment/ machinery to the first 300 fast charging stations commissioned in the State upto a maximum of INR 10 Lakhs per station. - Govt. will explore the fast charging facility at bus stands/ stops for e-buses to reduce the battery size. - Municipal corporations shall provide reserved public spaces under flyover bridges with free or priority parking for 2-wheelers and adequate charging infrastructure to promote last-mile connectivity. - Charging points for personal EVs of Government employees shall be provided at Government office parking areas. Overall this seems like a good policy. Read yourself full document here.
Chhattisgarh Implements EV Policy 2022 content media
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Tesla Club India
Sep 03, 2022
In General Discussions
Rajasthan Govt has implemented EV Policy 2022 from September 1st, 2022. It will be valid for 5 years till August 31st, 2027. Policy Targets at end of period - 15% EV share in 2w registration - 30% EV share in 3w registration - 5% EV share in 4w registration - Phased transition to e-Buses connecting priority cities. Those target will most likely be passed in 2w and 3w category. Priority Cities:- Jaipur, Jodhpur, Kota, Udaipur, Bikaner, Ajmer, Bharatpur and Alwar All Electric Vehicles are exempted from Road Tax and Green Tax. Electric Vehicles carrying passengers or good do not require a permit. SGST reimbursement for all EVs(for given units) Incentives for each vehicle category For 2w : INR 5000 - 10000 depending on battery capacity(fixed). : INR 2000 - 5000 for swap ones : 100% SGST reimbursement : For 1,00,000 EVs For 3w : INR 10000 - 20000 depending on battery capacity(fixed). : INR 4000 - 10000 for swap ones : 100% SGST reimbursement : For 25,000 e-cart, e-rickshaw. For 25000 e-auto, e-goods carrier : 15% incentive in retrofit kits upto INR 10000, For 3000 retrofits For 4w : INR 30000 - 50000 depending on battery capacity, ex showroom price under INR 20L. : 100% SGST reimbursement : For 1000 personal 4w, 1000 commercial 4w, For 2000 e-Maxi cabs and Good Carrier : 15% incentive in retrofit kits upto INR 15000, For 2000 retrofits For Buses : INR 1,00,000 - 5,00,000 depending on battery capacity : 100% SGST reimbursement : For 500 E-Buses : 15% incentive in retrofit kits upto INR 2,50,000, For 200 retrofits Charging Infrastructure - Setting Charging Infrastructure will not require any special permit - Private charging at residences/offices permitted through existing connections - Govt will lay down procedure for application of electricity connection and time required to provide connection - SGST reimbursement on EVSE upto a specific amount and specific number - Also some more - Power Tariffs at INR 6/Unit + Fixed charges. Not sure how much fixed charges affect ROI for a CPO, but maybe fixed charges need to be low for public chargers. There are other measures to boost manufacturing. You can download the pdf below.
Rajasthan Implements Electric Vehicle Policy - 2022 content media
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Tesla Club India
Aug 29, 2022
In General Discussions
Ladakh Administration has approved EV Policy, which is in implementation from 17.08.2022. Policy is valid for 5 years till 16.08.2027. All Electric Vehicles are exempted from Road Tax Incentives for EV Charging Facility - Electrical power required for EV charging will be charged at domestic rate - Public charging facilities in parking areas of residential, commercial, institutional establishments, etc. will be allowed - Commercial public EV charging stations for Two wheelers, Cars and Buses will be eligible for capital subsidy on equipment/machinery (Capital subsidy of 25% on the equipment's/Machinery or INR 5,00,000/- (Whichever is less) per station for the first 15 EV Charging Stations). Subsidy for EV Buyers(whichever is lower): - For 2w : 10% of Ex-Showroom or INR 15,000 - For 3w e-cart : 10% of Ex-Showroom or INR 30,000 - For 3w : 10% of Ex-Showroom or INR 50,000 - For Car : 10% of Ex-Showroom or INR 2,50,000 - For Bus : 25% of Ex-Showroom or INR 50,00,000 However, there's early bird subsidy, applicable for one year(and units) from date of implementation: - For 2w : 20% of Ex-Showroom or INR 30,000 : 28 EVs - For 3w e-cart : 20% of Ex-Showroom or INR 60,000 : 10 EVs - For 3w : 20% of Ex-Showroom or INR 1,00,000 : 10 EVs - For Car : 20% of Ex-Showroom or INR 5,00,000 : 33 EVs - For Bus : 50% of Ex-Showroom or INR 1,00,00,000 : 11 EVs How Subsidy will be availed? Policy notices this as - " The Demand Incentive shall be available for buyers (end users/consumers) in the form of an upfront-reduced purchase price to enable wider adoption, which will be reimbursed to Dealer by Administration of Union Territory of Ladakh. In case, the individual beneficiary buys an EV (at 100% Ex-showroom price) from dealer based in another state/UT but registers and use the EV in Ladakh, the reimbursement shall be given to individual beneficiary and not to the Dealer. " You can read/download the full Policy below, which also contains dealer registration details.
UT Ladakh Implements Electric Vehicle Policy - 2022 content media
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Tesla Club India
Aug 17, 2022
In General Discussions
Ladakh gets Solar Powered EV Chargers along with battery storage and induction of 10 Kona Electric cars in Govt Fleet through Convergence CESL. Love it. 2 chargers of 60kW with 2 CCS2 guns each. ~50kWp Solar on Carport ~762kWh BESS ~190kWp Solar Rooftop nearby Crazy how no media has reported it in such details. Convergence CESL should have put out a detailed press release also. We had to dig out the tender, because we love specs! Solar + BESS + EV Chargers is a great combination. Hoping to see more throughout the nation.
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Tesla Club India
Mar 18, 2022
In General Discussions
EV & RE myth busting time, again. A blog for the many EV skeptics going on with their whataboutery. Wrt India, the first argument used is of Electricity generation. Yes, we are coal reliant, for now. We are pushing towards Renewable Energy at an increasing pace. Here's the current breakdown of installed capacity. India has achieved >40% installed RE capacity, years ahead of its 2030 goal. India aims to achieve ~50% of its energy via renewables by 2030, as announced by PM at CoP26. Another question asked is, what in case of a natural disaster? or war? Well these circumstances are not normal. How would you transport oil or coal during a disaster? Renewables and Energy Storage are best answer in these case. How? Micro Grids. Locally produced and stored energy, not dependent on a far more centralised system as in case of fossil fuels. Disruption in one place won’t affect others. But what about battery production? Yes, it is increasing every day. More and more companies are jumping in to make batteries. Here’s a forecast from Benchmark Minerals. Production by 2030 could easily exceed these. Battery tech advancement is just starting. More companies are jumping into R&D and production. Cost of batteries and RE weren’t at a level a decade earlier as they are today. No one solution needs to fit every place, RE and Batteries fit most. Humans will sort out rest also. Another point often raised is minerals required for batteries. World has enough of them. Innovation is continuing to make batteries and vehicles efficient. LFP batteries use much more common materials. They have '0' cobalt use. Research on Sodium Ion batteries is going in also. For those unaware, cobalt is used much more in fossil fuel industry than in batteries. It is extensively used for desulfurization. You CAN NOT recycle fossil fuels, but YOU CAN recycle batteries. And it is not something that will happen in future, it’s happening now. Redwood Materials, Tesla Giga Nevada, Attero in India are some examples of companies recycling batteries. Here is great video by CNBC about the same: https://www.cnbc.com/video/2021/04/10/jb-straubels-redwood-materials-ex-tesla-cto-tackles-battery-recycling.html "Attero Recycling has also partnered with MG Motors to recycle Li-ion batteries fitted in the brand's ZS EV units." Tesla also has battery recycling at Giga Nevada. And every new Tesla Battery Cell factory is going to have recycling facility also. No one is going to waste these precious batteries now. But what about power source, if it's from coal it is no use? Well, EVs are cleaner even when powered by fossil energy. As reported in Forbes-- "A new study by the universities of Exeter and Cambridge in the UK and Nijmegen in the Netherlands has concluded that electric cars lead to lower carbon emissions overall, even if electricity generation still relies on fossil fuels." "The idea that electric vehicles or electric heat pumps could increase emissions is essentially a myth," said lead author Dr. Florian Knobloch, from the University of Nijmegen. "Even in our worst-case scenario, there would be a reduction in emissions in almost all cases." It is also shown in Tesla’s 2020 impact report. Lifetime emissions in EU, NA & China. The chart comparing China’s average emissions to a province in china with green grid shows that in both cases, EVs are cleaner than ICE. Here’s more proof. ICCT report. EVs are cleaner, even in India. Here’s another India specific ICCT report- "EVs can get cleaner over their lifetimes as the energy that powers them gets cleaner. India is already deploying renewables at a healthy rate, and a delay in switching to EVs would result in, among other things, a failure to capture the full gains possible from the cleaner grid as it materializes. And passenger cars are often on the road for 15 years in India." And even if it wasn’t for Climate Crisis, EVs are far better because they help reduce local air pollution. There’s no noise. There’s possibility to ‘fuel’ at home, even using Solar. None of this is possible incase of ICE. Here’s a great representation from PluginIndia. No one takes in account emissions for production, refining & transportation of fossil fuels when they compare to EVs. As per report- "By weight, 40% of maritime trade consists either of fossil fuels on their way to be burned or of chemicals derived directly from fossil fuels." It is just insane. EVs are just ridiculously efficient compared to anything else. And it is something that isn’t changing. EVs will remain efficient. But are EVs enough? No. We need revolution in industries also. And that’s where hydrogen has potential, not on road transportation. Here are brilliant 2 part articles on hydrogen. Part I- Separating hype from Hydrogen: The Supply Side Part II- "Hydrogen’s role in the final energy mix of a future net-zero emissions world will be to do things that cannot be done more simply, cheaply and efficiently by the direct use of clean electricity and batteries." Can EVs be absolutely clean? No. No human activity will ever be absolutely clean. Are EVs relatively clean? Yes. Can they be made more cleaner? Yes. How? With improvement in battery tech, vehicle efficiency & renewable energy. Overtime grid is going to get greener, so will EVs. Overtime a ICE is going to get dirtier. You can also read one of our previous blog countering some myths also. And time to focus on hybrids was few years ago, not now. Main focus need to be BEVs. Here's our blog on this. Solution to fossils isn’t instant, it will take time & will only happen if we start now. To be fair, should have started a few decades earlier, but anyway. Right now, we don’t need to be stuck in the propaganda of businesses/persons who benefit from fossils. Not to mention fuel & maintenance savings on a EV. Go Electric to save money, if not for environment. Nikhil Chaudhary & Garvit Singh Team Tesla Club India Building a Community For The Future.
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Tesla hasn't launched any vehicle yet, but some Supercharger units seems to be here in India. Here's a image we have got: We can't wait for Tesla to install them and start delivering some vehicles in country⚡. Tweet link - https://twitter.com/TeslaClubIN/status/1465285252537008134?s=20
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Akhil Krishnan did a ~1800km Road Trip in his kona. Here it is compiled, as shared by him on twitter. Couple of weeks back, did a ~1800 km drive in our Kona. Was a seamless drive experience thanks to the good network of DC fast chargers across the main highways in Southern India now. Attached is the route map & the drive stats, followed by some brief trip notes in this thread as below. Route planned: Day 1: Bangalore - Chennai. Day 2: Chennai. Day 3: Chennai - Coimbatore-Alathur. Day 4: Alathur-Mararikulam-Alathur. Day 5: Alathur-Coimbatore-Coorg (Siddapur). Day 6: Coorg. Day 7: Coorg-Bangalore. Started Bangalore to Chennai with 58% SoC with the usual plan to have 20min charge stops at Krishnagiri & Vellore each. Just as we were nearing Shoolagiri, had a bad tyre failure/cut, writing off the tyre & had to opt for a Bridgestone replacement (stock is Nexen) from a shop nearby. One hour later was back on the road, charged up at zeoncharging Krishnagiri, and later at MG Vellore before we reached Chennai. Total journey time including the unplanned stops + charge- 6.5 hrs. ITCGrandChola were happy enough to provide a 16A socket to charge up overnight. Had about 100-150km of driving around in Chennai to do, so started with 70% SoC. Got the stock low resistance Nexen tyre in Chennai, so had it fixed because I didn't want the range to drop because of one mismatched tyre. Finished my work & got back to ITC around 11pm and plugged in. Was at full 100% 8 hours later, and was good to go by 7 am. This was going to be the longest I'd driven the Kona in a single day ~600km. We had a relaxed start, left for Coimbatore by around 1pm. Reached @zeoncharging Tindivanam by 2.45 & left by 3.30 after a lunch + charging stop. Next stop was Zeon at Attur. This stretch (Tinidivanam-Attur) was empty and made for some really fast progress. Did 180km in 1.75 hours and as a result, reached A2B/Zeon at Attur with 10% left, around 5.15pm. Plugged in and left the car to have a coffee & snack. Within a few minutes, there was a crowd around the Kona made up of people who were really interested in the cost/range etc. Interest in EVs are real & looks promising! Left here at 6pm, would've left ~15 min sooner (the car was done charging), but spent that time talking to people. Next stop was Zeon Avinashi. We didn't have to stop there (had enough range to reach Zeon Navakkarai) but it was a new location and wanted to check it out for future travel plans. Reached the location (Hotel Tiruppur Sree Annapoorna) around 8.45pm. There was a brand new Nexon charging up there, and he was already at around 85% SoC, and the charging speed had already dropped to ~15kW. He wanted another 10 min so decided to let him finish. But that 10 min turned into 45 mins because he was insistent that he get the full 100%. The Tata salesman who sold him the car had fed him some BS about the battery getting damaged if he didn't charge to 100% every time + an even bigger "golden" tip to not touch the car when charging. The owner wouldn't listen to me no matter what, so gave up & waited for him to hit 100%. I could've had my dinner in this time, but another Nexon showed up and I didn't want to lose my spot having waited this long. Finally the Nexon hit 100% and I plugged in and went to have my dinner. Stopped the charge at 50% and left around 10pm. Dropped the wife off at Coimbatore by 10.45,carried on towards my place in Alathur, KL. At the Walayar TN-KL border, was stopped by the KL cops for entry checks, but they were more interested in the Kona! 15 min later, they let me go. Reached my place around 12AM. Drive stats attached. Plugged in to my 7.2kW portable charger, at the 20A setting. Normally I charge as slow as possible, since I spend at least a full day here without driving anywhere. But I had to run around the next day for around 225km or so, and I wanted a quick charge up. By 7AM it was at 80%. Drove into the new Kuthiran tunnel (finally!) towards Thrissur, was done running errands and back home by 6pm with 9% left. Plugged in again for a 100% charge at 20A, since I had to leave for Coorg at 7 am the next day, with a distance of 390km to be covered. Left by 7 am, reached Coimbatore by 8, picked up the wife and attended a function near Brookefields Mall. Since the mall had a Zeon 25kW DC charger, charged up from 70 to 90% while we were away at the function (convenient!). Finally we left Coimbatore around 12.30. We had added exactly 20% at Coimbatore, so if we hadn't charged there, would've reached Mysore with just 2% left (range anxiety kicks in below 5% for me!). Zeon at Mall of Mysore is a great location,with good food options in and around the mall.Spent exactly 30 min here and left.% SoC. We had added exactly 20% at Coimbatore, so if we hadn't charged there, would've reached Mysore with just 2% left (range anxiety kicks in below 5% for me!). Zeon at Mall of Mysore is a great location, with good food options in and around the mall. Spent exactly 30 min here and left. Left Mall of Mysore by 5.15 and we reached Evolve Back in Siddapur around 7pm and 105km later, the last 30km of which was beautiful, winding forest roads. Had around 28% but didn't plan on going anywhere the next day so I didn't plug in when we reached. Plugged in around 12.30 PM the next day, the resort very kindly ran an extension box for me from a socket near their front office. Allowed it to charge really slowly at 10A/2.2kW overnight, since we were going to have a late mid morning start around noon. Left for Bangalore by 12pm & a 100% charge. The plan was to beat potential traffic buildup on the infamous Bangalore-Mysore highway by getting through during off-peak hours. Drove through non-stop and luckily had very light traffic. Reached Bangalore around 4pm with 28% left! Was a fantastic drive, and the detailed charge stops with cost is up in the 1st tweet of this very long (apologies!) thread. This is an effort to prove that multi-day drive itineraries are easily done in an EV without range anxiety, at a fraction of ICE cost! Thanks for reading!
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Central Electricity Regulation Commission(CERC) recently released a Draft 'Ancillary Services Regulation'. Ancillary services refer to functions that help grid operators maintain a reliable electricity system(BESS etc). According to letter found by us, Tesla has commented on the draft and has sent it's suggestions & comments. We see this as a +ve sign from Tesla wrt India & hopefully we will soon see Tesla India Energy in action. - "Tesla believes that a complete set of market design rules supporting, providing of all grid services battery storage can provide, is an essential prerequisite to achieving India’s vision to integrate over 450GW of renewable energy by 2030. " -"The lessons learned from Tesla’s global engagements with market operators on batteries make it clear that for a large, complex grid such as in India’s, primary, secondary, and tertiary frequency control are “must-have tools” to ensure stability of the nation’s evolving power system." -"Based on our global experience, the overarching aim for ancillary service design should be to use co-optimised, market-based procurement where possible, and where not possible, structured procurement approaches." -"Market design should also try to enable new, lower-emission technologies to provide all ancillary services in addition to energy requirements and recognise that fast and flexible response is an increasingly important characteristic of a future energy system and should be valued as such." -"Tesla supports the introduction of ‘pay for performance’ elements that incentivise, recognise, and reward the accuracy and speed of response characteristics from providers of Ancillary Services." -"Tesla’s battery systems react automatically and almost instantaneously to locally measured changes in system frequency outside predetermined set points." In the letter Tesla was continuously referring to it's Australia Hornsdale Battery System. The success of that battery is something that Tesla can show to anyone, building confidence in Tesla, as well as on how to do things regulation wise. We are excited to see Tesla energy being an important of the Tesla India roadmap⚡️. *Extras:
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